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Intel Motherboards (German) : J3160M PCIE Problem

September 20, 2017, 10:36 pm
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Author: kokett
Subject: J3160M PCIE Problem
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 5:36am

Es geht um folgendes Board: https://geizhals.de/asrock-j3160m-90...-a1441426.html
Anleitung: https://gzhls.at/blob/ldb/1/f/4/d/60...5dce9e9b2c.pdf

Ich will in den drei PCIE Slots drei Stück dieser Controllerkarten betreiben: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Die Teile haben keine RAID Funktion und kein eigenes BIOS, Anbindung via PCIE 2.0 x1.

Laut Handbuch sollte das kein Problem sein, die Slots sind alle elektrisch mit x1 angebunden, auch der mechanische x16 Slot. Die Slots sind auch lt. Handbuch nicht geteilt, also Vollbestückung deaktiviert keinen der drei Slots.

Es funktioniert trotzdem nicht, es werden nur zwei der drei Controllerkarten erkannt. Defekt ist keine, ich habe sie in den Slots mal hin und hergetauscht. Im BIOS habe ich unbenötigte Geräte deaktiviert (HD Audio, Parallel und Serial Port), das hat aber auch nicht geholfen. Gibt es - warum auch immer - ein generelles Limit an SATA Erweiterungskarten von dem ich nichts wei??

Hat evtl. jemand eine Idee woran es liegen könnte bzw. wie ich es doch noch zum laufen bekomme? Ich wollte einen stromsparenden Heimserver aus dem System machen und brauche viele SATA Ports - Geschwindigkeit ist nicht so wichtig; x1 PCIE 2.0 reicht.
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AMD Motherboards : [X370 TaiChi + 1700X] 1st build help. Temp, BIOSs

September 20, 2017, 11:01 pm
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Author: VUMeter
Subject: [X370 TaiChi + 1700X] 1st build help. Temp, BIOSs
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 6:01am

Hi all,
So all of my parts arrived and I have spent the day getting the system put together.  Still got additional drives to go in and cables to tidy (and buy so they can be better tidied).

As this is my first ever build, I'll be losing sleep over whether or not I applied the right amount of thermal compound and fitted the CPU cooler properly - that is the main concern.

I wonder if ya'll can help me out with a few things, make sure I understand stuff correctly.


Temperature

As this is an X CPU, I understand that there is a +20°C offset to the actual CPU temperature.  This would be reported as tCTL (including offset) and Tdie being the actual temperature of the CPU.

I'm on stock BIOS v2.20, and the UEFI "H/W Monitor" tab shows a CPU temperature that I come to understand maybe something along the lines of a sensor within the socket of the motherboard, and not the CPU itself.

I booted for the first time, no side panels on the case, case fan controller on high.  Ambient room temp of around 15°C ish.
UEFI H/W Monitor said ~33°C and climbing to about 35°C ish.

Took a look around in UEFI, played with some fan profiles, saw CPU fan speed change down to ~500rpm (Noctua NF-A15) on "silent" profile.  Set it back to "Standard" profile.

Rebooted and installed Windows 10 Pro (creators/latest iso) from USB stick.  Did not update. Have not connected to the 'net. Have not installed any drivers.  It's all vanilla Windows.
Chucked on HWInfo v5.56 (?) the latest as of earlier today, and Prime95.

Ran prime95 with the first option, just a CPU stress, no memory or other things.  Default options.
After about 30 minutes HWInfo said Tdie was 48.3°C !  tCTL was 68.3°C.
This seems awfully cool to me.  Even with the side of the case off, I am surprised.
Idle Tdie was around ~23°C, which strikes me a bit low.

I am completely new to Ryzen, my last system being Core 2 Duo E6750, which had a stock cooler.


BIOS

Is there a change log so I can see what BIOS to update to, if I even need to?
I get the impression going to 3.10+ would give options for reporting CPU temperature from 'Socket' (source for older BIOS), Tdie or tCTL.
I don't really know what else would have changed that may actually help me.  I don't really intend to overclock, and if I did it would be something like p-states, as that looks interesting without losing the lower power consumption at idle.


Fast Boot

Booting seemed to take a little while, not what I'd call excessively long but a good 30s or so.
I notice the motherboard code display showing all sorts of codes before getting on with showing the "press F2 or DEL to enter setup" screen.  From there into Windows it's quick.

Do I need to disable some kind of checking routine?  I think there was something in the RAM section or somewhere abouts in UEFI.

The "ultrafast" option I understand is something that one needs to jump through hoops to get to.  It apparently menas you don't get the about "enter setup" screen.  I'm sure someone posted some kind of guide to this but I can't find it.



Sorry for bundling multiple, potentially larger topics into one thread.
I'd be happy to break these out if people would prefer.  I guess my main question is - did I put my CPU cooler on right?

Cheers!


System specs:
Ryzen 1700X
X370 TaiChi
Noctua NH-U14S
NT-H1 thermal paste (a squiggle splodge roughly size of cooked grain of long grain rice.)
Fractal Design Define R5
G.Skill Flare X 32GB (2x16GB) 2400MHz 15-15-15-39 (stock)
Zotac GTX 1070 Mini
Seasonic Prime Titanium 750td
Windows 10 Pro creators on Seagate 1TB HDD
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AMD Motherboards : AB350M PRO4 - starts up 3-4 times before boot

September 20, 2017, 11:23 pm
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Author: Hannibalk1ng
Subject: AB350M PRO4 - starts up 3-4 times before boot
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 6:23am

i have turned off boot training and i swear it still does the boot training.

i have my memory at 2666 stable for a few days, and then on one boot up the boot training will cycle a few times then boot into windows at 2666 again....
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AMD Motherboards : Asrock x399 Taichi, XMP and IOMMU

September 21, 2017, 7:33 am
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Author: wardog
Subject: Asrock x399 Taichi, XMP and IOMMU
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 2:33pm

F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR Samsung B-die best I can tell

BCLK 100
3200

Choose XMP 3200, then BEFORE Saving, overwrite ONLY the below
18-16-16-38-75
2T
vDIMM 1.35 (Default)
SoC 1.1

Now Save and Exit.

Post back with those please.


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Intel Motherboards (German) : J3160M PCIE Problem

September 21, 2017, 7:34 am
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Author: J Z
Subject: J3160M PCIE Problem
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 2:34pm

Hallo,

kann dazu leider nichts sagen und würde diese Anfrage zwecks ?berprüfung an unsere Technik weitergeben. Bitte dazu das Support-Formular ausfüllen.

https://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp
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AMD Motherboards : Asrock x399 Taichi, XMP and IOMMU

September 21, 2017, 7:35 am
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Author: wardog
Subject: Asrock x399 Taichi, XMP and IOMMU
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 2:35pm

Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:


now enter the dram timings section and manually change the cl14 timings to
16/16/16/16/35/50


50 is way way too low for those timings.
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AMD Motherboards : Asrock x399 Taichi, XMP and IOMMU

September 21, 2017, 7:35 am
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Author: wardog
Subject: Asrock x399 Taichi, XMP and IOMMU
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 2:35pm

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:


now enter the dram timings section and manually change the cl14 timings to
16/16/16/16/35/50


50 is way way too low for those timings.


Clarification

For this particular Kit anyways.
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Intel Motherboards : Release date of ASRock X299E-ITX/ac?

September 21, 2017, 7:38 am
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Author: J Z
Subject: Release date of ASRock X299E-ITX/ac?
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 2:38pm

Hi,

X299E-ITX/ac, the schedule is delayed until mid or later October :/
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AMD Motherboards : How long does it take to update UEFI/BIOS?

September 21, 2017, 7:45 am
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Author: wardog
Subject: How long does it take to update UEFI/BIOS?
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 2:45pm

5 mins, actually less, but ..........
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AMD Motherboards : X370 Fatality Pro Gaming no new bios yet???!!

September 21, 2017, 7:55 am
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Author: wardog
Subject: X370 Fatality Pro Gaming no new bios yet???!!
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 2:55pm

Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

Where is the new bios for this board with default JEDEC 2666MHz support FFS!!!!

Taichi X370 has it in bios 3.20!

X370 fatality Gaming K4 has it in bios 3.30!

Yet the X370 Fat Pro Gaming is till on bios 3.10 with no JEDEC 2666MHz support for default....why are Asrock so slow to update the bios on this board when it should be their flagship board for AM4 platform....well they certainly charge the premium for it that should indicate it as being the flagship product.   


JEDEC probably doesn't/won't Default to 2666. JEDEC is there to guarantee(loosely with AM4, sigh) that the sticks will boot at a lower speed to, again, guarantee it will boot.

Whether it boots at 2133(current JEDEC Defaul AFAIK) or 2666, one still would need to dink with an set XMP if it boots/works.

The BIOS for your MB is current with the others, AGESA 1.0.0.6b. BIOS revisions do not run neck and neck # wise with other boards.

Are you saying your BIOS, 3.10(latest), doesn't have a 2666 selection you can make manually?





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AMD Motherboards : 32GB (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15) x2 @ 3000 MHz?

September 21, 2017, 8:00 am
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Author: wardog
Subject: 32GB (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15) x2 @ 3000 MHz?
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 3:00pm

4 sticks @ 3200 will be an uphill push as far as voltages go.

Best would be 4 running something lower yet with tighter timings.

Then again, you may find it does boot with 4 @ 3200.

If you try, try with only two sticks, finding stability, then add the other two and be prepped to add some SoC and VTT_DDR voltage


Keep us posted.
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AMD Motherboards : Question for taichi users

September 21, 2017, 8:22 am
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Author: Asingo
Subject: Question for taichi users
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 3:22pm

Originally posted by quicknick quicknick wrote:

I have the exact same memory. Not one but two kits for a total of 32GB. Runs flawless at 3066 with bios 2.40.

With older bioses I was stuck at 2666 with all four dimms, or 3200 very unstable using a single kit. I haven't tested a single kit with the newer bioses, but I imagine stable 3200 or even more is now possible.

Regarding other questions, I find the board to be stable and quiet. No noise from the board itself, also audio output is clean and of quite good quality. Cannot say about wifi since I haven't used it, in fact I did not install the antennas...

you just load xmp profile or did you need to raise soc voltage, timmings and other things?
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AMD Motherboards : X370 Taichi 0x00000d1 driver_irql_not_less* PCI

September 21, 2017, 8:52 am
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Author: Prodif
Subject: X370 Taichi 0x00000d1 driver_irql_not_less* PCI
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 3:52pm

sdtyler78
Thanks, I'll try 2.30. (2.36 no on site)
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Intel Motherboards : Wi-Fi issues with ASRock J4205-ITX + Intel 8265

September 21, 2017, 9:47 am
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Author: Bonimentus
Subject: Wi-Fi issues with ASRock J4205-ITX + Intel 8265
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 4:47pm

I have the same issue with the J3455-ITX, can I also use this fix ?
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Intel Motherboards : Wi-Fi issues with ASRock J4205-ITX + Intel 8265

September 21, 2017, 10:17 am
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Author: wardog
Subject: Wi-Fi issues with ASRock J4205-ITX + Intel 8265
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 5:17pm

Originally posted by Bonimentus Bonimentus wrote:

I have the same issue with the J3455-ITX, can I also use this fix ?


No. That link is to an old BIOS, rev1.11C, dated December 2016.

There are newer BIOS that have this fix already rolled into them.



Your 3455-ITX pages:
http://asrock.com/mb/Intel/J3455-ITX/

There you will find a Production BIOS, P1.30, dated May 08 2017
http://asrock.com/mb/Intel/J3455-ITX/?cat=Download&os=BIOS


And there is a BETA BIOS a bit newer, L1.30A, that inside the archive is newer that the other listed, L1.20H. Not sure how the dates on the page got listed as they did, but L1.30A IS newer
http://asrock.com/mb/Intel/J3455-ITX/?cat=Beta


HTH



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Intel Motherboards : Power off usb while computer is off?

September 21, 2017, 10:54 am
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Author: lucontheweb
Subject: Power off usb while computer is off?
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 5:54pm

Hello everyone,
 I bought a Z170 Extreme4 with i5 6700k, I just modded a bit the case adding an usb led strip, that is attached to the usb_1_2 onboard port, but when i turn off the pc the stripe remains still on, that is quite annoying because everytime I turn off the pc I have to unplug it from the AC,
I looked for something like ErP to set to S4/s5 (like adviced in other forums) but I can't find anything realated to Usb 2.0 power in the bios (simple or advanced mode)
the Bios UEFI version is P7.2
Thank you in advance


Edited by lucontheweb - 34 minutes ago at 5:57pm
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AMD Motherboards : Asrock x399 Taichi, XMP and IOMMU

September 21, 2017, 11:05 am
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Author: Rope
Subject: Asrock x399 Taichi, XMP and IOMMU
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 6:05pm

Thanks all.
I contacted ASRock support about this issue as well, detailing the issue I was seeing with ram in the A channels and the hardware reserve issue in Windows, and they believe I have a faulty motherboard and to RMA it. 
 
I am currently running with 2 sticks in D2/C2 with XMP3200 until the new mobo arrives and will do the swap.  Hopefully everything just works on the new one and I will keep in mind the voltages.  But as of right now, XMP3200 is working as intended and I didn't need to manually adjust any voltages or timings.  The ram is running at 14/14/14/34 timings. 


Edited by Rope - 21 minutes ago at 6:10pm
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Intel Motherboards (German) : J3160M PCIE Problem

September 21, 2017, 11:37 am
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Author: kokett
Subject: J3160M PCIE Problem
Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 6:37pm

Habe ich gestern mittag schon gemacht, danke.
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AMD Motherboards : BIOS updating

September 21, 2017, 6:56 pm
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Author: datonyb
Subject: BIOS updating
Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 1:56am

no problem mate

dont knock the r3 1200
a lot of reviewers like it esp. with a sensible overclock (3.7 ish)

remember it was still a ryzen7 1800x when it came off the line with all its siblings Smile
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AMD Motherboards : MoBo shuts off when CPU=70 deg. F

September 21, 2017, 6:58 pm
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Author: dhavalbbhatt
Subject: MoBo shuts off when CPU=70 deg. F
Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 1:58am

Originally posted by nangu nangu wrote:



Hi, What do you mean by shutdown? A Windows clean shutdown and power off, or the screen going black and a flashing "00" code shown on Dr. Debug leds on motherboard?

This is not a clean Windows shut down - this is similar to when I have been stress testing the CPU during overclocking. I haven't looked at Dr. Debug to see what it says. But this behavior is consistent between many different programs - as soon as it hits 70C, the computer shuts down involuntarily.

Originally posted by nangu nangu wrote:

If the latter, disable monitoring from AIDA, use it only for stress testing and install HWinfo64 for monitoring. For some reason AIDA64 corrupts UEFI CPU temp readings, your fan profile doesn't work anymore, and I suspect thats the reason for the shutdown.
I use HWInfo for temp and other system sensor readings.

Originally posted by nangu nangu wrote:

If after that the problem persists, may be it's a "not enough voltage at load" problem I suspect. Set LLC to 4 or 3 and test again, or add a bit of Vcore if LLC is not an option on your system.


I doubt if that is the case. If that were the case, I would see a quick failure in Prime95 (within the first 10-15 minutes) and Cinebench. I believe the voltage is sufficient for the load that I am trying to put on the CPU. I can still check and ensure that is not the case by increasing the voltage.

Originally posted by nangu nangu wrote:

I've seen temps around the 85ºC mark on my system for the CPU when stress testing on air, so I think the shutdown temp thresold is not your problem.

Cheers.


I will be turning off the threshold under HWMonitor and see if that works or not. I agree, I should get the CPU stable at around 75C without any issues with what I am trying to do.

Dhaval

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