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AMD Motherboards : GSkill Trident Z RGB / RGB not functional

September 12, 2017, 9:17 pm
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Author: datonyb
Subject: GSkill Trident Z RGB / RGB not functional
Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 4:17am

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Jhelms, are you running any other RGB controller software?



Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

be gay and happy at 3200 for the time being Smile


hahaha You Sir are one unhinged dude.



its british humour im afraid mate

and at its worse, i work contruction sites ...................
' we think it ,we say it '
LOL
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Intel Motherboards : Any chance for Skylake/Kaby Lake stabilty fix?

September 13, 2017, 3:02 am
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Author: parsec
Subject: Any chance for Skylake/Kaby Lake stabilty fix?
Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 10:02am

Originally posted by Kyuunex Kyuunex wrote:

You (AsRock) still haven't provided the BIOS update to fix this stability issue caused by Skylake/Kaby Lake hyperthreading. it's already been months since everyone started talking about it and other motherboard manufacturers provided the bios update.

You (AsRock) put "Stable and Reliable" text on the front of the motherboard box (AsRock H110M-ITX/ac).
If you are so proud of your claims, any chance you would live up to them?

I would have seriously returned this if I could. But since I'm gonna be using this for next 2 years, I decided to bring this to your attention. Apologies if I seem rude.


OMG, let's blame ASRock for problems with Intel Skylake and Kaby Lake processors, and only those that have Hyper-Threading. Confused 

Your first sentence in this post is false, since there are many ASRock boards that have the UEFI/BIOS updates with the new processor microcode in it. Will you be fixing it? Apparently, ASRock has heard about it.

Examples:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z170%20Extreme7+/?cat=Beta

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Fatal1ty%20Z270%20Gaming%20K6/index.asp#BIOS

Please explain in detail the issues you are having with your unknown processor with Hyper-Threading that is making you so angry. I have three ASRock boards using Skylake and Kaby Lake processors, including a DeskMini 110 with the same board as yours. I'm not having any problems.

Yes you seem rude. Apologies for saying that. I could defend any mother board manufacture in this situation, but clearly your mind is made up, so I won't waste my time.

Yes, there are many ASRock 100 and 200 series chipset boards that have the new microcode. My Z170 and Z270 boards both have those updates. More updates will be coming soon.

Note that ASRock classifies these UEFI/BIOS updates as Beta versions. Validation and verification of new processor microcode takes time and resources. If other manufactures just made it available quickly, I wonder how much testing they have done?

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AMD Motherboards : RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10

September 13, 2017, 3:19 am
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Author: kentiler
Subject: RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10
Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 10:19am

I have the ASRock X399 Professional Gamer Motherboard with the AMD RYZEN Threadripper 1950X  CPU.  I installed the OS (Windows 10 Pro) on an M.2 SSD, and I have six 10TB drives in RAID 10 for data.  I configured the RAID in the BIOS, and the array is recognized and the correct size (30TB).  

However, when I'm in Windows, the Disk Management doesn't recognize it.  I installed the latest RAIDXpert 2 from the support site, but when I launch it, it says License Level 0 - No RAID.  I can't login!

I called tech support from ASRock, but they were telling me to use the old RAID Rom, which won't work with this motherboard and/or drives this size.

Device manager showed 3 RAID devices that were unrecognized.  I had Windows search the CD that came with the motherboard, and it installed drivers called AMD-RAID Bottom Device.  

My understanding is I just need to get the RAIDXpert management to load, and then I can create the partition and start working with my drives!  

I've tried several different browsers and no luck with any of them!

Has anyone fixed this?

Thanks!

--Kent
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AMD Motherboards : RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10

September 13, 2017, 3:53 am
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Author: wardog
Subject: RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10
Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 10:53am

Pardon, but I'll ask this and no harm is meant.

Are you logging into RAIDXperII using UN:admin and PW:admin ?
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AMD Motherboards : RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10

September 13, 2017, 3:59 am
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Author: kentiler
Subject: RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10
Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 10:59am

I'm trying to login with admin/admin, but it won't let me submit.  The button is disabled.  
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Intel Motherboards : Triple M.2 RAID setup

September 13, 2017, 4:05 am
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Author: parsec
Subject: Triple M.2 RAID setup
Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 11:05am

Originally posted by Brighttail Brighttail wrote:

So I have a friend who got the Asus Apex 6.  Interestingly enough he tried a RAID 0 array with both his m.2s on the chipset DIMM.2 slot.   His two 960s EVOs in RAID 0 using the chipset was LESS than a single one using the chipset PCI-e lanes.

Amazingly enough, he was able to create a RAID 0 array using one M.2 in a CPU Pci-e lane and one m.2 in the chipset Pci-e lane.  We had talked about it and it looks like you can now create a RAID 0 array using Pci-e lanes from both the CPU and PCH lanes. :)  While not quite double he was able to get 5500 seq read and 2500 writes.

Making a RAID 0 array using only the CPU pci-e lanes he was able to get 6400 seq read and 3150 seq writes.

Another interesting note was that  it looks that there may be an issue with RAID 0 and the chipset lanes, at least with the Asus board. Hopefully they will fix that with a BIOS update but I have heard it happening with Asrock and MSI too.


The 960 EVOs in RAID 0 being slower than a single 960 EVO is obviously due to the RAID 0 array being created with the default 16K stripe size. We went through that when the Z170 boards were first released. Myself and a few other forum members experimented with the then new RAID support for NVMe SSDs, and noticed the same thing. We found that the 64K and 128K stripe sizes provided much better benchmark results.

Not that 960 EVOs in RAID 0 with the other stripe sizes were twice as "fast" as a single 960 EVO, they aren't. We've always suspected that the DMI3 interface of the chipset was a bottleneck. That assumes other things involved here are perfect (PCIe remapping and the IRST software), so there are other variables involved.

About the faster benchmark results using the VROC RAID, if that is true, (and I'm not saying it isn't because the X299 system is the first one to be able to create RAID arrays using the Intel RAID software with the NVMe SSDs in the PCIe 3.0 slots) then that is great, and would highlight the limitation of the chipset's DMI3 interface. It also uses different Intel RAID software, RSTe. I'd like to see that myself.

The RAID array with a combination of SSDs in a PCIe lane from the CPU, and the chipset makes me wonder if that was using the Intel RAID software or the Windows RAID capability. If that was using the Intel RAID software, that is another new feature that has not been talked about at all.

One reality that seems to always be overlooked is, booting/loading Windows or any OS is not simply reading one huge or several large files. Many small to medium size files are mainly read when loading an OS. The sequential speed tests in benchmarks range from 250KB to 1MB+ file sizes, depending upon the benchmark being used. The point is the super fast sequential read speeds do not enhance the booting/loading of an OS. Even with the much improved 4K random and 4K high queue depth performance that a single NVMe SSD provides over SATA III SSDs, the reality is NVMe SSDs do not provide substantially quicker OS boot times. Something else is the bottleneck, possibly the file system itself, which was not designed for flash memory (NAND storage, SSDs) drives. If we were working with many very large single files, or unzipping compressed files, these RAID 0 arrays will be faster, but for many typical tasks they aren't noticeably faster.
 

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AMD Motherboards : RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10

September 13, 2017, 4:44 am
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Author: parsec
Subject: RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10
Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 11:44am

Did you run the RAIDXpert2 installation program on the OS/C: drive? Did you run it by right clicking and choosing Run as administrator?

An AM4 Ryzen board has two SATA/RAID controllers, and both of them must be set to RAID mode in order for RAIDXpert2 to work, according to its manual, and given my use of RAIDXpert2.

One is in the standard Storage Configuration screen, the other is Advanced\AMD CBS\Promontory Common options. Your second RAID controller will probably be in a different screen, since the chipset is different, and I cannot tell from the manual which screen it is.

My board also has a third SATA controller setting, which actually does not apply to it, in the FCH Common Options screen. If your board's eight AMD SATA ports are provided just by the CPU and main chipset SATA controller, you'll only need to enable RAID in those two.

Check Device Manager, open the Storage Controllers entry. You should see at least four entries for the AMD RAID controller. I have two for AMD-RAID Bottom Device, and two for AMD-RAID Controller (storport). One of each entry for one controller.

I had to manually install the AMD RAID driver for one of the RAID controllers, the AMD Chipset installer 17.10 did not do it, at least not for AM4/Ryzen. You can try the 17.30 chipset version from AMD, which I found after I updated the driver manually. That would be the SATA Floppy Image ver:8.2.0.24 (believe it or not) from your board's download page. I installed this driver via the Update driver option of the controller's DM Properties.

AMD 17.30 Chipset driver:

 http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/chipset?os=Windows%2010%20-%2064


If you find one or more AMD RAID Controller DM entries under a different entry, then it is missing it's driver. Windows 10 does not have that driver built in.

Having both RAID controllers set to RAID is required for RAIDXpert2, as well as the AMD RAID driver being installed for both controllers. If that does not help you, let us know. AMD RAID is a bit finicky to work with, but it does work.

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AMD Motherboards : RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10

September 13, 2017, 5:01 am
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Author: kentiler
Subject: RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10
Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 12:01pm

Hi,
Under the BIOS, I have the standard storage configuration set to RAID Mode, and then under AMD CBS, I I don't have Promontory Common Options.  Only Zen Common Options, DF Common Options, UMC Common options, NBIO Common Options, FCH Common Options, and NTB Common Options.  The only one that had anything about RAID was FCH, and RAID was enabled.

Under Device Manager, I have 3 AMD-RAID Bottom Devices, and 3 AMD-RAID Controller (Storport).  

None of these drivers were installed automatically.  I had to tell Windows to look at the drivers folder that I created by copying the CD and downloading the updates from ASRock.  

I didn't do the floppy image, though.  I do have the 17.30 chipset from downloading from AMD.

Here's the screenshot from my RAIDXpert.  In looking at the HTML code, if the license is 0, it looks like it disables the submit button:

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AMD Motherboards : RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10

September 13, 2017, 5:05 am
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Author: kentiler
Subject: RAIDXpert2 - License Level 0; Windows 10
Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 12:05pm

Well, I couldn't login to RAIDXpert, but after Windows 10 found the last 3 controllers I do have my partition and can use it.  I do need RAIDXpert so I can get alerts when there is a problem with my drives!

Let me know what I should try next, and thank you for your help!

--Kent
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AMD Motherboards : X370 Fatal1ty Pro - Unable to Create Large RAID0

September 13, 2017, 5:16 am
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Author: parsec
Subject: X370 Fatal1ty Pro - Unable to Create Large RAID0
Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 12:16pm

Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

This is what my Device Manager currently looks like.




That looks good to me, the Storage controllers entries are right.

RAIDXpert2 takes some getting used to, compared to Intel's RAID, but it seems to be more sophisticated in some ways, but at the cost of complexity.



The ASRock Fatal1ty X399 Professional Gaming download page has a new version of the AMD RAID driver and RAIDXpert2, despite the dates on ASRock's and AMD's website. I have NOT tried them yet.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X399%20Professional%20Gaming/index.asp#osW1064


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Intel Motherboards : ASRock x99 Extreme4 + Xeon CPU ?

September 13, 2017, 5:31 am
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Author: SonicPLD
Subject: ASRock x99 Extreme4 + Xeon CPU ?
Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 12:31pm

Thank You very much fellow ! 

I appreciate the wide answer :)
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AMD Motherboards : 1950x will not boot install media completely.

September 13, 2017, 7:42 pm
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AMD Motherboards : 1950x will not boot install media completely.

September 13, 2017, 7:47 pm
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Author: datonyb
Subject: 1950x will not boot install media completely.
Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 2:47am

oooohhhhhhh

you can update bios on that baord without even a cpu or ram installed Cool
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AMD Motherboards : AMD Ryzen Compatible Memory List

September 13, 2017, 7:47 pm
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Author: ket
Subject: AMD Ryzen Compatible Memory List
Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 2:47am

Originally posted by nycalex nycalex wrote:

updated to bios version 3.10 on my x370 killer sli/ac.

So far, agesa 1.0.0.6a brings nothing for me.

My hynix memory still unstable at 3200. only good to 2933. i'm not complaining tho, i'm plenty happy with 2933.

Overall, not noticing anything different so far.


Have you tried tightening timings at 2933 to make things a little snappier? I'd be surprised if you can't tighten timings up at least a bit ;)
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AMD Motherboards : 1950x will not boot install media completely.

September 13, 2017, 7:52 pm
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Author: MisterJ
Subject: 1950x will not boot install media completely.
Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 2:52am

Thanks, datonyb.  I have been doing my W10 (W7 before) installs for a long time by booting WinPE (built using ADK).  I then start a flat install (disk drive), so one of SSDs contains my install files.  The other two are new with nothing on them.  I saw the FlashBack feature, but did not want to be a pioneer.  G.Skill has some neat FlareX coming and they should (X399 TR only) be on the qualified list.  Thanks much and enjoy, John.
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AMD Motherboards : AB350 Pro 4 - Ram Voltage

September 13, 2017, 7:52 pm
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Author: ket
Subject: AB350 Pro 4 - Ram Voltage
Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 2:52am

That is the strange part, shooting from the hip I would guess maybe some of the SPD data stored on the stick has become corrupt. Theres a couple other things I could guess at as well, but they would be just that, guesses. No real way to know with more certainty unless I was to test the problematic kit.
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AMD Motherboards : X370 Fatal1ty Pro - Unable to Create Large RAID0

September 13, 2017, 7:56 pm
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Author: visualsoul
Subject: X370 Fatal1ty Pro - Unable to Create Large RAID0
Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 2:56am

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:



So you upgraded your BIOS to 3.20?  What board are you using?


You weren't asking me, but I am now using 3.20 in an X370 Killer SLI/ac, which wardog also uses.

I think 3.20 is fine, the additional options for Smart Fan control in HW Monitoring are worth checking.



They haven't released an update to the BIOS for my board from what I can see.
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AMD Motherboards : X370 Fatal1ty Pro - Unable to Create Large RAID0

September 13, 2017, 8:35 pm
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Author: wardog
Subject: X370 Fatal1ty Pro - Unable to Create Large RAID0
Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 3:35am

Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

So you upgraded your BIOS to 3.20?  What board are you using?


X370 Killer SLI/ac

Keep in mind when looking at these I hadn't tweaked anything. Those timings are what mem training set.

Yet it is tested stable at 3333, 1.35vDIMM, 1.1 SoC








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Intel Motherboards : Any chance for Skylake/Kaby Lake stabilty fix?

September 13, 2017, 8:37 pm
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Author: Xaltar
Subject: Any chance for Skylake/Kaby Lake stabilty fix?
Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 3:37am

Ah, that is a driver related feature. Sometimes board manufacturers "tweak" the drivers for their products, usually branded with their name/logo. You could try installing the drivers from Gigabyte on your board, so long as the sound chip is the same it might work. I am somewhat curious myself. I don't like/want/need those features but if you want them, give it a shot Wink

As for the hyperthreading issue, the fact that it took so long to even get noticed leads me to believe it requires a somewhat specific workload to trigger it, not something the every day user would likely encounter. Bare in mind a "major" issue just means that data could be corrupted/lost, with server/enterprise builds that is a HUGE no go. 
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Intel Motherboards : Any chance for Skylake/Kaby Lake stabilty fix?

September 13, 2017, 8:42 pm
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Author: Kyuunex
Subject: Any chance for Skylake/Kaby Lake stabilty fix?
Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 3:42am

Originally posted by Xaltar Xaltar wrote:

Ah, that is a driver related feature. Sometimes board manufacturers "tweak" the drivers for their products, usually branded with their name/logo. You could try installing the drivers from Gigabyte on your board, so long as the sound chip is the same it might work. I am somewhat curious myself. I don't like/want/need those features but if you want them, give it a shot Wink

As for the hyperthreading issue, the fact that it took so long to even get noticed leads me to believe it requires a somewhat specific workload to trigger it, not something the every day user would likely encounter. Bare in mind a "major" issue just means that data could be corrupted/lost, with server/enterprise builds that is a HUGE no go. 


I tried installing gigabyte audio drivers already. still ended up with the same unskinned realtek audio panel without that feature. I even tried modded drivers. didn't gave that feature.

I mean, i know this can be done theoretically. I also have an old p4 board and it should run soundmax drivers by default but i tried realtek on that one and the different jack was outputting sound. so...

I don't mind waiting for the bios fix for that ht issue a bit, I guess, I just want it to happen. that's all, I guess.


Edited by Kyuunex - 4 minutes ago at 3:43am
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